Byte and Switch: And then the dotcoms disappeared.
Leisman: Yes. Even when it came to the stuff we were trying to do, which was to manage services, I don't think it was a logical way of offering value... And that's a challenge, right? So we were able to make some progress with an outsourcer like Qwest, by supporting their customers on their behalf. But the end-user traction, it just wasn't there.
Byte and Switch: How did people react to you coming in as this new CEO, and making all of these dramatic changes and laying off a huge chunk of the employees?
Leisman: Well, we moved most of those people to other jobs.
Byte and Switch: Really?
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