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@mbushong
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6/12/2014 | 10:15:44 AM
Good observations about links
Interestingly, this is somewhat solved by some of the optical technologies. The ability to use L1 paths across infrastructure helps to get around some of the static nature of bandwidth. And if you combine dynamic pathing with an SDN controller, you can do things like load balancing, traffic engineering, and dynamic pathing to meet application requirements. 

I suspect that the real change that is happening (and has been for awhile) is that traffic is far more east-west than north-south at this point. The interconnect is almost more important than the uplinks. We should expect to see this interconnect happen at the rack level before long (big optic pipes between racks of recources). In this world, the traditional architectures get disrupted, along with the ecosystem of suppliers around those.

Mike Bushong (@mbushong)

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6/12/2014 | 11:33:17 AM
Re: Good observations about links
The change in infrastructure you describe would impact the design of storasge appliances in a big way. They'll either need to be local in the racks, or have many really fast ports to move data to the inter-rack level.
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6/12/2014 | 12:13:38 PM
Re: Good observations about links
I agree that would be the implication. I suspect we end up in a place with lots of compute and storage in a rack with high-speed interconnects within the rack and then fast pipes between racks. It's certainly what Intel would want.

Mike Bushong (@mbushong)

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joreilly925
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joreilly925,
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6/12/2014 | 12:25:05 PM
Re: Good observations about links
This may cause us to rethink the rack concept a bit. How about the double-rack (back to back) Verari sold, or tying adjacent racks in a container together as if they are one entity. This would increase local cluster size to make room for netwroked storage.
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6/12/2014 | 1:23:26 PM
Re: Good observations about links
So basically you look at something along the line of "chaining" side by side racks, extending the backplane across each of them.  Then use SDN to manage/orchestrate it.
joreilly925
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6/12/2014 | 1:32:28 PM
Re: Good observations about links
There are no siewalls on these types of rack, so cabling can go round the front or through the cutouts on the frames. A cluster could be two, four or even more racks in size, with just a single switch hop to connect. Direct server-server links could be added too, but server vendors need to face up to needing more than two Ethernet ports.
rubyliu
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6/13/2014 | 3:53:44 AM
Re: Good observations about links
So, when talking on a FIOS home phone, is the conversation real time or is it data?  Not sure how to phrase this - but can a circuit-switch conversation be captured and stored as data as opposed to recording it? I am think of that software that stores phone calls and then lets you search them for key words, does it act the same for circuit-switched and packet-switched? This answer by fiberstore
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6/14/2014 | 10:05:21 PM
Perhaps a job for statisticians?
I agree with Jim here, Ethernet is not the most efficient system, especially as traffic collisions increase.  It seems as though a more scientific approach may be necessary.  Such fancy terms as regression analysys normally relegated to statisticians, may be needed in the search for a solution here.
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6/15/2014 | 10:48:55 AM
Re: Perhaps a job for statisticians?
Thats why fiber channel introduced to carry SCSI commands. The lessons are learned from the ethernet.

 

Actually ethernet has pause frame but once the congestion occur, all the traffic are stopped regardless of their importance.

If you want to make this operation efficient, you can separate traffic into classes and you treat them based on their importance. Thus data center bridging has been invented. PFC is the priority flow control can give us the ability to put traffic into classes and control the flows based on their pirority.


Also efficient quening is possible with ETS Enhanced Transmission selection which can be thought as a sub category of DCB.

All these protocols help the ethernet become lossless, so for the storage traffic you can carry SCSI over FC over Ethernet or IP networks.

 

Dealing with the configuration can increase configuration complexity and also buffer management might be a concern but these are all our design tools.

 
joreilly925
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6/16/2014 | 3:23:08 PM
Re: Good observations about links
I assume you are thinking of speech to text conversion. It's possible to process any spoken words into text automatically, but the quality of translation for general speech from an occasional speaker is still not good.

However, for deaf people, there is a wealth of real-time speech to text software. Just Google "speech to text deaf"
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